Help us make the Firewalla Gold 10Gbit Unit
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@Derek Seaman I was not suggesting FW should have integrated wifi but to take advantage of a 10G capable router you need wifi7 unless you are lucky to have Cat 6a outlets but most people don't. Indeed wifi 7 routers are insanely expensive, like 3x wifi 6 devices so it will take a bit of time to make its way into homes.
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Will the chassis have an integrated power supply i.e. you attach 110V to unit directly OR is there an external power brick for AC/DC conversion?
Its too bad there is no wall mount option. Most home users I expect do not have room for a rack inside their wall (recessed) media cabinet/ enclosure. So you are potentially limiting the buyer pool by not offering this option.
I am having a hard time deciding between waiting for this OR buying the existing gold plus. I don't really need 10Gbit ethernet for the foreseeable future, but I also feel the CPU in the gold/ gold plus is somewhat outdated and underpowered. Is there any chance you will do a CPU and memory and/or storage upgrade for the Gold plus, at a price point that sits between the gold plus and this 10Gbit unit?
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@Firewalla - adding a fan and/or somewhat larger PCB+ chassis is OK I think. It will still be smaller than this 10Gb unit. It can be done - just look at the Intel NUC form factor - they are able to fit a gaming CPU+ even a GPU in that form factor. Price point can be higher than existing gold plus, but less than the 10Gb unit perhaps.
I realize this may be off topic, but maybe there are others who want a refresh of the gold plus to add more compute horsepower + memory + storage etc. and maybe add 5Gbit capability?
Are you saying there is no chance you will consider a refresh of the gold plus to bump up performance? If yes, then I'll consider whether to sign up for the 10Gbit unit or not.
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@Govind
If you need a faster CPU/ bigger memory, the 10Gbit unit will fit your requirements. Even if you don't have 10gbit internet, a 2gigabit wireguard is pretty cool, so is segmenting VLAN's locally.
We will need a lot more study to look at a faster gold plus with a fan; there is no answer for you at the moment. But one thing is certain: Firewalla units will be optimized as network firewalls/IDS/IPS; we will unlikely make them into a NUC.
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@Firewalla: will the 10Gbit unit have a browser based gui/ console access, without having to use the serial port or a phone? Also, what is the HDMI connector in your rendering used for?
The phone access thing is OK at the lower price points, but at this price point it should have a proper web interface (via LAN port) for configuration, monitoring etc.
Also, lets say we purchase a unit in the pre-sale and you then decide to cancel the project? What happens to our "deposit"?
Anyway, I did sign up.
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All the firewalla units run the same code base, so there is NO difference in how the unit is configured. We have my.firewalla.com and MSP (https://firewalla.net) available today, will we make another UI on the box mixed with the rest of the code base is a software feature that is not related to the Gold running 10Gbit.
Please start or join the discussion here https://help.firewalla.com/hc/en-us/community/topics/115000356994-Feature-Requests
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Put me in the SFP+ camp. It offers more flexibility for connectivity choices.
Personally I use 10g fiber internally. I have no 10g copper support.
I'd buy it if it supported SFP+, but without that, I'd have to spend more money to support 10g copper - I'd rather just pay more for a unit that supports it in the first place.
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The censor is automatically done by Zendesk to prevent bots from posting stuff, spam, or based on a set of 'naughty' keywords, and sometimes I think it also take behavior into consideration too. Since there are so many of these exceptions, we often go through them once per week, and manually unlock them from the system. (usually Friday mornings)
We only censor if you post something with personal identifiers (and not in the for sale channel). Or posting stuff look like SPAM of something not related to security/firewall
Edit: Here is an example of the "censor" and why given by our admin
@Derek, the reason for your post getting censored (automatically by the system) was you posted an article link pointing back to your own domain on the topic "Unleashing the Power of 6 GHz Wi-Fi: Re-Think Everything" in this thread, on January 28th (we have no insight on why Zendesk did this), I think this triggered more SPAM censors later.
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@rogcisco, for this release, we are stuck with RJ45, otherwise, we will not be able to build it in 2024 or early 2025. We do understand many of you want SFP+ ports (loud and clear), we are also a small team, so I can't really promise there will or will not be an SFP+ based firewalla in the future or not.
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I've kept quiet about SFP+ vs RJ45 ports, but definitely prefer RJ45 and wasn't sure I would purchase a SFP+ version. So I'm in the crowd who cheers that you "are stuck with RJ45" for this release.
I can also say that if you had a 6 port, higher cost version with 2 SFP+ and 4 RJ45, I would be happy with that too. Who knows what the future will bring from you...
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All ports are "routable"; they can be LAN or WAN.
Yes, you can make the 10Gbit LAN ports and create a network to segment them off. In our prototype (the ugly box you see now) we connect one 10G to a switch (via RJ45 SFP+ adapter) and another 10G port goes to a Eero or Orbi WiFi 7, one 2.5gbit WAN port.
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Can you provide any further insights regarding the RAM or storage features on the unit?
e.g. Will the RAM be upgradeable? Will there be a microSD slot for easy storage expansion? Or will an internal M.2 slot be available for upgrades? (hopefully PCIe, not SATA)Everyone’s covered the RJ45 vs. SFP+ pretty well. My other big question would be how much sustained load testing is being done with all 4 RJ45 ports running at 10Gbit? I’m concerned the heat generated by the RJ45-only prototype (enclosed in a cabinet with poor airflow similar to real world placement, not just sitting in open air with no chassis) would result in thermal throttling triggered on the CPU (ala reduced performance via downclocking) or if there’s an increase in P/L, errors on packet processing or similar. I think being ultra clear on required/preferred ambient temps + mobo/cpu thermal thresholds for this device will be necessary to avoid confusion.
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@Sami, please see the head of the post; the latest is there. The RAM part maybe 8GB if the price is right. 4GB is usually plenty, but at least one MSP/ISP wants the firewall to monitor 1000 or more devices for schools. As for the internals, as usual, we won't publish the details since they may change.
The final thermal testing has not yet been done. (in theory, this should not be an issue) But the good news is we may pay for the NRE cost and start the board soon. We will have more data in a month (if we pay next week). The case + board sizes are not as restricted as the gold plus/se, so get thermal correctly is much easier. (relatively speaking)
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