Help us make the Firewalla Gold 10Gbit Unit

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    1980cyber

    Take my money! Take it now!

    Thank you all @firewalla, you rock, and thank you for listening to the community! Will have a perfect 2024 Christmas!

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    Craig Chapman

    Please give us the ability to upgrade the RAM ourselves as well :). An sfp+ option would also be super nice.

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    Mike

    My ideal configuration with this setup would be 1x sfp+, 1 10g RJ45 and 2 2.5g, along with 8GB of RAM.

    My ISP uses RJ45 for 5gbps service. For their 10, 25 and 50 gig options, they provide an SFP+ adapter.

    Also, if you do use sfp+, having a few certified RJ45 adapter and DAC cable options would be great!

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    Lestrod Gould

    Awesome! Let`s make this happen. I am signed up.

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    Firewalla

    The 10Gbit interfaces will be RJ45 only. We can't provide both, it will be too expensive. (SFP+ uses a different MAC than RJ45). Meaning, two types of MAC, will significantly increase the price, so there is no way we can build a unit under 1000 USD. 

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    1980cyber

    I prefer dual RJ45. My Eero 7 has dual 10Gbit RJ45 ports, and my ISP is also RJ45; I have no use for SFP+, and doing fiber it is going to be a huge issue for residential/small businesses. CAT6/CAT6e will be much cheaper and can support 10Gbit up to 400 to 600ft. (or more).

    @firewalla Given, you have a "messy" "prototype", how real is a Christmas shipping date? Will there be any beta/early access like the gold plus?

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    Firewalla

    @180cyber, the messy prototype is not that bad. The purpose of that mess is to make sure we validate the architecture, and then from that, our manufacturing partner can start designing a single board. That process is very fast. Then, the manufacturing process will take over from there. (all prototype boards are like this, so it is not messy, just ways to tune a system without the final board)

    If we can get enough signups in a month or so, we can make a Christmas delivery. And yes, there will be a beta/early access, likely few months earlier. Also, the more people pre-order the unit the faster we can build it. 

    So, please help!

     

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    Firewalla

    Question for the community, beyond the dual 10gbit interface, should we include two extra 2.5gbit interfaces? Or one 2.5gbit is enough?

    I assume the 2.5gbit can be used for Dual WAN. 

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    Erik

    Yes one extra 2.5gbit interface is useful as second WAN / failover. Not sure if 2 x 2.5 brings extra value? Is there a large cost difference between the 5/2.5/1 interfaces or maybe temperature as well?

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    Firewalla

    The Gold 10Gbit will be a custom board, so we have the flexibility.

    At the moment, we have to balance a few things, including board size (too small = too hot, too big = more shipping cost, and build cost), heat (ensure most of the time, fan don't run), and cost.

    I assume at the moment, 1 extra 2.5gbit is good enough? 2 x 2.5gbit is better

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    Christopher Ferrante

    2x would be good to keep the capabilities of what gold plus can do bridge/ network isolation wise

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    Christopher Ferrante

    My wallet begs me to ask if there is the possibility of a trade in program haha

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    Craig Chapman

    May I suggest “Firewalla Platinum” as a name to distinguish it from the Gold line up?

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    Firewalla

    If this unit has four ports, it will be Firewalla Gold XXX, if it has 3 ports, it may be a different color. 

    (blue = 1 port, purple 2 port, gold 4 port)

    XXX can be Pro, Plus Max, 10G

    At the moment, our goal is collect interest and get the board layout started, then case design, then pre-sale :) Software part need a bit tunning, but mostly ready, as you can see from speedtest

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    Christopher Ferrante

    It should definitely be a gold class product

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    Craig Chapman

    3 gold products already that name is crowded.

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    Firewalla

    We will jump into naming after we get the board ready.

    Will anyone care if the box size is a little bit big? 

    • 1.75 inch tall. (rack mount 1U height)
    • Width is going to be around 8 inches (+/- 1 inch)
    • Depth is TBD
    • We will likely provide simple rabbit ears for mounting as an option.

     

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    Christopher Ferrante

    I think size is ok

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    Craig Chapman

    That size is fine please provide rack ears for it that would be awesome! :)

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    Mike

    The size works for me, I plan to put into a rack

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    Ram!

    Yes please add 4 ports 2x2.5 Gbps + 2x10Gbps rj45

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    rogcisco

    4 ports 2x2.5 Gbps + 2x10Gbps

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    dreamkass

    2 x 2.5Gbps or better 4 x
    2 x 10 Gbps
    If possible a PCIe slot?

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    Firewalla

    Last time I checked all the PCIe Lanes are full. 2x2.5G and 2x10G is likely the max this thing can run at "wire speed"

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    Ram!

    @Firewalla, I’ve sent a private message on Reddit displaying my internet speed if you’re willing to add me as alpha, beta tester :) especially for PPPoE

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    Chester B Weber

    2x10GbE + 2x2.5GbE

    i don’t care if it’s rj45 or sfp+, but I would ask why not make the 10GbE ports sfp+ and then if you need rj45 you can get the right sfp+ whereas if you need an sfp+ interface for your isp you’d be out of luck with rj45 ports. Then do two 2.5GbE rj45s?

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    geotrouvetout67

    You say optionally 1 or 2x 2.5Gbs ports, I think two 2.5 ports is a minimum for not so older hardware that will be staying for years, otherwise it will be a serious road block to network segmentation and I also think there should be 3x 10Gb ports, 1 used to hookup the fiber modem, the other two going to switches, again, network segmentation, but it would also allow attaching a 10Gb NAS and a switch to the router directly or two high speed switches, there aren't many affordable high speed switches with more than 8 ports and it will take years until there are.

    Maybe have 1x RJ45 and 2x SPF+.
    Although there are adapters, most high speed switches come with SPF+ ports but NAS's are typically RJ45 and current wiring is RJ45, that would provide options, Uniquiti 10Gbe routers with 10 ports and integrated wifi now cost around $1500.

    When there is more Wifi 7 hardware available, I might switch from the Gold to that new 10Gb just to get the speed up with the NAS internally. I don't see that happening within less than 2 years but Europe is way ahead of the US in the development of fiber, I know in France operators are required by law to convert the entire country, small towns in the countryside are getting high speed fiber while I'm here in the Boston area and only have a single coax operator with 1990's upload speed.

    I could not care less about the size, it would have to fit in racks for those who use one, I don't.

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    Firewalla

    I've updated the spec. (not committed, but reflective of the community)

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    Mike

    I'm in the same boat, my ISP uses SFP+, so with RJ45 only, I would need to put a switch or a media converter in front of the firewalla (which would add cost and a point of failure)

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