Recommended WiFi 6 hotspot to put behind the Firewalla Gold?

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    Firewalla

    If you plan to run the Gold in Router mode

    • Any router that does Access Point or Bridge Mode will work perfectly with the Firewalla Router Mode.  (Mesh or no Mesh, doesn't matter wifi 6 or no wifi 6).  Avoid Google Wifi, it doesn't have AP mode when hookup in mesh mode.
    • In general, you do not need a really powerful wifi 6 router;  The gold does have a pretty powerful CPU + 4GB of RAM, which is likely far more powerful than your wifi router.  By offloading the routing/switching function to it, your wifi router will likely perform better.

    Now, all of us here at firewalla like mesh routers, and recently we tested two of these.

    TPlink Wifi 6 X60 (around $200 if you get it from Costco)

    This unit here performs really well, when paired with the Gold Router Mode in Access Point / Bridge mode.  The coverage is decent, speed is also faster than the none wifi 6 routers.  The price point is perfect ...  (This router doesn't work in Simple or DHCP mode)

    Eero Pro Wifi 6 ($500 to $600 Amazon)

    This is a fancier unit, the coverage is a little bit better than the TPLink, Signal is a bit stronger than the TPLink.   And when run in Bridge mode + Firewalla Gold in Router Mode... it is really fast.    (we are still testing this unit in simple mode, and DHCP mode does work)

    So, it depends on your taste.  we think the TPLink is enough (at least for our setting), and the price point is good.  Will it work at your place or not ... it is your call. :)

     

     

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    IHaveABigNetwork

    eero 6 or eero 6 pro's... expandable, stable and fast.

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    Charles Kelsoe

    Costco only had the TP-Link Deco M9 Plus Tri-Band Wi-Fi System with Built-In Smart Hub. It was on sale for Black Friday. It works very well with the Gold. The one thing I wish it would do is pass the devices attached to the M9 to the Gold instead of it always showing up as the M9.

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    Firewalla

    You need to change the M9 to bridge mode, then you should see everything on Firewalla.

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    Charles Kelsoe

    That did it. Thanks!

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    Scott Chapman

    considering swapping out my Eero pro 6 ($$$) for TP-link X60 from costco ($). SHould be about half as much.

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    Sukumar Patel

    Are there any WiFi 6 AP's with VLAN tagging?

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    Firewalla

    There is a newer Netgear Wifi 6 AP, that may work https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Wireless-Access-Point-WAX610/dp/B08D3693SV  according to the Q&A, it should have VLAN to SSID mapping.  The price is pretty decent.  (<== we have not tested this)

    We have the none wifi 6 version, which can do the mapping. 

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    Stretch

    How about the
    NETGEAR MK63-100NAS ?

    My use case I will just set VLAN on the port that the nighthawk is plugged into vs setting VLAN on nighthawk itself.

    I current have the Verizon FiOS mesh setup and went to get rid of it.

    I ordered my firewalla today and need a fast mesh wifi 6 set up.
    I was just going to put the entire wifi on its own VLAN.

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    Firewalla

    @Stretch, make sure this netgear unit can do bridge/AP mode when in mesh, that's the only thing required to connect to the Gold.  

     

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    Stretch

    I just ordered the - TP-Link Deco X60 Wi-Fi 6 AX3000

    I will come back and let everyone know how well it works, from researching it looks like it has a bridge mode. 

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    Mike999

    I tired the Netgear Pro SRX60 which supposedly supports VLANs and it doesn't actually in AP mode.

    I have the Gold product and I'm wanting to upgrade to Wifi6, looking for mesh and vlan support several separate SSIDs in AP mode - use cases include separate isolated SSID and VLANs for Home, Work, Guest, IOT. I would prefer not having to buy multiple mesh routers for these purposes. Any suggestions for products that work in this way?

     

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    Firewalla

    We heard the Netgear Orbi Pro (the really expensive version) supports VLAN while in Mesh.  We have not yet verified this. 

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    Mike999

    I can confirm that the less expensive Netgear Orbi Pro will not work with the VLAN, SSID, and Mesh combination that I'm looking for.

    Do you happen to have a model number of the more expensive? I can try out the model number and report back.

     

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    Firewalla

    I think they tried the latest Orbi Pro Wifi 6 version.

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    Mike999

    So initial testing and configuration results: They're expensive but the Orbi Pro 6 SXR80 (router) and SXS80 (satellite) or otherwise known as AX8000, work for VLAN configurations with segregated SSIDs as long as you turn on network isolation for each VLAN. I have yet to fully test the mesh configuration. There are 4 SSID which can be associated to 4 VLANs. I've used my Firewalla to configure the VLANs all on the same port number. There are a couple of catches: 1) need to have a direct connection to the Orbi router or the VLANs may not be recognized; 2) every Wifi and configuration change take a tonne of time to configure because the units must reboot for every configuration change for every wifi SSID and VLAN change made; 3) performing a complete power cycle might be necessary to reset saved configurations at the end of multiple configuration changes. There are some configuration details that include bridge groups, default VLAN 1, and trunk vs access modes that I'm going to retest. I can say though it all seems to work at this point as an AP leveraging the Firewalla as the main router - positive (and it should be for the $$$$).

    I'm running in AP mode to be clear, not Router mode on Orbi infrastructure. 

    Of note, the Orbi Pro 6 SRX60 (note the difference in model) does NOT work in the same way as an AP as the SRX80 with VLAN, SSID network isolation, and mesh enabled.

    I need to test: Mesh configuration holds the same SSID isolation and VLANs across both nodes (main router and satellite), performance and range across the Orbi SRX80 platform (initial tests proved impressive for range), other considerations. 

    So far, positive!

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    Firewalla

    Very nice! How is the speed and coverage of these SXR80? worth the extra $?

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    Mike999

    Speed and coverage are good. Not sure yet about the extra $.

    I'm having an issue with the VLAN/LAN connection dropping fairly frequently and sporadically. I looked at the Orbi logs and there's nothing indicative of a problem. I'm suspecting it's either a configuration issue or a bug with my Firewalla Gold. Any articles I can read or steps I can take to check my configuration?

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    IHaveABigNetwork

    Mike999,

    I tested Orbi for Netgear as a beta tester... they're utterly terrible devices from a stability perspective.

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    Mike999

    Oh! That's not good, especially given the price tag.

    Do you have a recommended VLAN-enabled, multi-SSID that works in AP mode Wi-Fi brand/model?

    Also seeing lots of dropped packets that seems to come and go. Fine one moment, dropped packets the next and then fine for a while.

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    Sukumar Patel

    Have you tried out TPLink EAP620 HD and EAP660 HD?

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    Mike999

    The Netgear Orbi Pro SRX80 experiment ended with me returning very expensive gear that would enable VLANs but the performance was so poor, unstable, and unreliable with a high % of dropped packets and for the price point, just not worth it. And yes, that's with up to date firmware!

    I picked up Ubiquiti HD Nano and what took me hours to setup (because the AP needed to reboot on each screen for each configuration change) took minutes. They also seem solid, and performant with few to no packets dropped. They have VLAN support, multiple SSID capable, Mesh, and decent management console. The catch is that they are only APs, they don't have LAN ports, which is ok, but I'll have to come up with other solutions.

    Impressed so far...

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    Sukumar Patel

    These aren't WiFi 6 right?

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    A M

    I currently run UniFi gear but if I was starting from scratch, I'd have a hard look at TP Link Omada or Aruba Instant on. If Wifi 6 is not a deal breaker, second hand Rukus AP's and switches (running unleashed) could be really nice too. 

    BTW... hard wired AP's are worth the effort vs the mesh stuff IMO.

     

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    Mike999

    Augmented my setup with two Ubiquiti Wi-Fi6 model U6-LR. I’ll repurpose the nanos for the basement and garage.
    Hardwiring APs also allows for PoE from a powered switch. Certainly performance is a key consideration that I’d agree is worth the effort.

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